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[#35026] Written by: Mazer [14/05/07, 07:07]
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comon...i received a warning from isp
this morning after downloading an episode
of law and order svu from this site. after
calming down, i realize even though i personally
pay for my cable which airs l&o svu because
torrent force you to upload it is considered
illegal. this will be my last time i use this
site unfortunately
[#35028] Written by: aydin1954 [14/05/07, 07:18]
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just out of curiosity suppose you are in us. were you using peer guardian 2 at
the time?
[#35033] Written by: lfcdan [14/05/07, 08:04]
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its hardly this sites fault you got caught by your isp.

frankly, torrents are illegal and if you dont take measures to protect
yourself from detection you're gonna get caught eventually.

you were just one of the unlucky few.

download peerguardian 2.
if you use azureus, get the safe peer plugin.

you should then be protected from detection.

good luck
[#35035] Written by: aydin1954 [14/05/07, 08:38]
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actually torrent themselves are legal, what is illegal in some countries is
certain content.
[#35038] Written by: lfcdan [14/05/07, 08:47]
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Quote by aydin1954
actually torrent themselves are legal, what is illegal in
some countries is
certain content.


really. i didn't know that. what sort of content? i assume you mean tv, film
and music in general but is the law more targeted to certain areas of those
subjects. for example i mean obviousely american tv is off limits but is it
legal to download, say, british or australian tv.
just curious.
[#35046] Written by: lopkinfop [14/05/07, 09:30]
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torrents are just directions that tell you where to get it from (i.e. the
tracker) how is a bit of text illegal?

it is illegal for us people to download uk/aus stuff, but not for canadians. i
personaly dont know of anyone that has been warned for downloading uk tv
stuff, only microsoft stuff.

the legal content aydin may be talking about is things like linux distros
[#35049] Written by: lfcdan [14/05/07, 09:39]
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good god!

ok, torrent files are not illegal to download. i get that. what i meant was
that it is illegal to download tv shows that have been placed on the internet
in whatever form when not authorised by whatever network made it.

is that precise enough to cover what i meant?
[#35057] Written by: aydin1954 [14/05/07, 10:18]
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in switzerland is perfectly legal to download music, movies, tv shows. the legal
opinion is that it is too much to ask the consumer to distinguish legal from
illegal material. there has been no process and the possibility that there will
be one is extremely small.

on the other hand uploading or putting copyrighted material on a server and
letting other people download it is illegal. however in case of torrents where
you give at the same time you get you are in a gray zone and frankly doubt very
much you risk much if you close your download after giving back at least as much
and i doubt very much that anybody would bother to go after single citizens for
this.
[#35067] Written by: Mazer [14/05/07, 11:16]
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peer guardian 2 does not guarantee protection
by any means. look around on the net
and you will find thousands of posts where
people still get in trouble even by using
peer guardian 2. just be careful. universal
pictures doesnt play games.
[#35073] Written by: [14/05/07, 12:37]
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some of you people who get warnings are a right load of girl's blouses.




[#35106] Written by: super12 [14/05/07, 15:32]
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Quote by mazer
comon...i received a warning from isp
this morning after downloading an episode
of law and order svu from this site. after
calming down, i realize even though i personally
pay for my cable which airs l&o svu because
torrent force you to upload it is considered
illegal. this will be my last time i use this
site unfortunately


i\'d send you a warning for downloading law & order too.

[#35111] Written by: TVFAN [14/05/07, 16:38]
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i think the bigger surprise here is that someone's downloading law and order!
[#35353] Written by: AllOver [15/05/07, 08:55]
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Quote by tvfan
i think the bigger surprise here is that someone's downloading law
and order!


haha! too funny.
[#35396] Written by: death734 [15/05/07, 13:50]
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note: if you got the warning outside the usa then this message is useless

look up "usc title 17, section 107: limitiations of exclusive rights: fair use"
it basically means that we american's can legally download tv shows (which most
air for free to begin with) as long as its for non profit and non big public
showing kinda stuff. also bring up that its for research in a film or directing
career

there was a good talk on it at torrentspy but the whole torrent the comments
where on got deleted (no suprise) but i saved it

one quote from a guy that seemed to know what he was talking about is "however,
if you're an american, you have usc title 17, section 107: limitations on
exclusive rights: fair use (if you don't know what this is, google it).... this
will protect you and they can't and won't do s**t. don't be afraid."

i dont know if you can use this to get you out of downloading hbo/showtime stuff
which costs money to view it any way on tv.

most likely that was a worthless automated message to scare you and they cant do
squat. just like the mpaa saying some kid got fined several hundred thousands
dollars for downloading a movie (its just bogus junk to scare us (common thing
done in the usa).

but use protection like peerguardian2 and utorrent ip filter, and enable
encryption in your torrent client (options >> preferences. bittorent, turn
protocol encryption outgoing to enabled. p ress ok.)
[#35447] Written by: spevman [15/05/07, 19:46]
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hey death734:

thanks for the info. i've never gotten one of those notices, but you bet your
ass that if i or anyone i know ever does, i'll be foring off a response
referencing that section.

thanks!!
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